Real Estate and Real Impact (feat. Tom Dosch, DMRE)
Lane Kipp: All right, well welcome
back to the All Access Podcast.
I'm really excited to have
my, uh, dear friend and all
access member Tom dos with us.
Tom is the co-founder and principal
at Dos Marshall Real Estate, DMRE.
They're, uh, a market leader in land
brokerage services for multi-family,
residential and industrial lands.
And he's also a, a founding
member of a hundred X harvest.
A giving community and
a sponsor of all access.
So a hundred X Harvest helps make all
access possible and our fund free and
available to anyone who makes to make the
most impact they can with their giving.
Tom, thanks for, uh, thanks for being
all Access member and thanks for taking
the time to, to jump on this podcast.
Tom Dosch: Yeah, lane.
Thanks for having me on.
Lane Kipp: Yeah, this'll be fun.
Uh, I've been looking forward to this.
Um, you know, we, we were talking
about this, you know, before we.
Started the recording, but you know,
our hope at all access is just to,
uh, to accelerate this mission of the
Great Commission, great commitment by
helping donors make the most impact
they can from right where they are.
And, um, Tom, I really want people to
hear not only your perspective on how to
give well, but also what you're doing,
uh, which I found super fascinating.
And, uh, I think more people should
hear about, um, what you're doing
and, and how you're doing it.
So I'd love to hear that.
First, remind me, Tom,
where, where you grew up.
Tom Dosch: Yeah, so I kind of grew up
all over because my dad with an oil
and gas, so I'll tell people I moved,
it was eight or nine times before the
end of high school, so it was like
every, every couple years we would move.
Uh, he would get transferred.
It was all in the states,
but I lived in Montana for.
About seven years.
So that was a pretty
formative time for me.
I'm in the mountains right now.
We're doing this podcast.
I'm in Colorado, so I've, I get
to the mountains as often as I
can now that I live in Texas.
I think Montana was a big part of that,
but I've, I've lived in Texas most
of my life, so outside of Montana,
Houston for a number of years.
And then, uh, went to school
at Texas a and m, so called
Station for several years.
And then my family now is in the Dallas
area, so I'd say I'm a Texan, but I
get to the mountains as often as I can.
Lane Kipp: Yeah.
Well, so does, so do most Texans.
I feel like Colorado is, you know, yeah.
It's Texas and
Tom Dosch: it's not a bad drive and
I've got five little kids, so it's like
we're looking at places where we can
pile in the Suburban and we can just
hit the road and do it in one day.
So
Lane Kipp: yeah.
Tom Dosch: that's why Colorado's
a great, great option for us.
Lane Kipp: Yeah.
Okay.
First, before we get into the giving,
what's your tactic on driving with.
Young kids, are you a, are you
one of the over the night guys?
Tom Dosch: I am not, no, I'm just
get up early, try to be pretty packed
up the night before and then, you
know, if it's a, if it's a 12 hour
drive, my kids are like warriors.
So we leave the house probably
around six or seven and we're trying
to like beat that Google time.
So if it says 12 hours, like even with
the stops, we're pretty consistent.
So the other day we, we beat
the Google time, even with like
Lane Kipp: Wow.
Tom Dosch: or four stops,
but we were, we're packing
sandwiches, you know, like we're.
we're saving and very economical on
the time, as much as possible, and
Lane Kipp: Yeah.
That, that's pretty impressive.
Uh, that's crazy.
All right, so you went to a and m.
How did you, uh, why a and m?
Tom Dosch: So I, a big part of that
was probably just, uh, my older
siblings, so I'm one of seven.
I.
And so they, my older
siblings had gone to a and m.
It was a good school conservative.
I've been visiting them, sorry, Lang
Lane Kipp: You're good.
Tom Dosch: there for a second.
Uh, I've been visiting them, you know,
at school for a number of years and
really, uh, really enjoyed Texas a and m.
And so, you know, just ended, ended
up there, met my wife there, so
very fortunate for my time there.
Lane Kipp: Nice.
Nice.
And then, um, yeah, tell us about
after that I wanna hear kind of your
professional career and then we'll
get into to the, the giving side.
But after a and m, what's the
store line between then and now?
Tom Dosch: So after a and m, I
started investment banking, so I
was the finance major at a and m.
Did that for only about a year and
a half, and really did not enjoy it.
Didn't feel like I was gifted in those
areas, wasn't passionate about the
work, and then got into real estate.
My older brother.
was doing land brokerage at the time,
and so got into real estate in 2012
with him and his business partner,
and we've been doing that ever since.
We started our own company
about eight years ago, and
we've expanded across the state.
Lane Kipp: Nice.
Really cool.
Awesome.
Uh, all right.
Tom Dosch: here, so I'm just
gonna flip around so that,
Lane Kipp: You're good.
Tom Dosch: that the, the
lighting's a little better.
Lane Kipp: Uh,
Tom Dosch: There we go.
Lane Kipp: now, so yeah, let's
get into the, the giving side.
I wanna hear more about, um, a hundred
x harvest and what you're doing there.
But before all of that, like y what, what
led you to, to have the, uh, such unique
perspective on giving and I would say a
really redemptive perspective on giving.
Um, what, what was the origin story there?
Tom Dosch: Yeah.
You know, it was interesting.
I got married really young, right
outta college and uh, Jackie
and I, we didn't have any money.
We were saving as much as we could.
We had a lot of student debt
between really the two of us.
Um, and so we weren't thinking
a lot about giving initially.
And then my brother, my older
brother challenged me and said,
you know, even though you guys
have debt, like you shouldn't just
be saving to pay off your debt.
You should also be giving and trusting
the Lord that that's something
we're called to do as believers.
So we started to do that
in just a small way.
You know, we started tithing and
we saw God provide like right away.
And then that really just led to.
Us wanting to do more and
more things that were eternal.
So probably the biggest change from
going from tithing to trying to
be even more generous was going in
overseas and actually experiencing
the global church and seeing like what
God was doing in Africa and seeing
what he was doing in the Middle East.
And we just started meeting Christians
that we were just a mentored by,
encouraged by, uh, impacted by in
incredible ways, and they encouraged
us to just want to be more generous.
And think we saw for probably the first
time generosity is less about kind of
guilt or something that we're supposed
to do as Christians and more, it was
exciting, it was really fun to see how
it was impacting the lives of these
people that we were with and how they
were using it and how God was using it.
And we got to be a part of that.
And so I think that was probably
happened over a couple years,
just getting to go and see.
And it was before we had kids and so
we had more opportunities to do that.
Um, and that led us to just
thinking more and more about.
That's more important to
us than buying a house.
So for a long time we just, you know,
rented an apartment and tried to keep
our life, uh, you know, always below,
below our means so that we could do more
things like that and support more people.
And you interact with people that don't
have anything, but they're so joyful
because they have the Lord and the
relationship with him, it really changes
your perspective on back here in the
States and just everything that we have
and, uh, the abundance, especially living
in a place like Houston or a place like
Dallas and being in real estate where.
Um, you know, we're around these large
developments where there are, it's always
nicer and nicer and nicer every time.
And you're targeting, you know,
the best office clientele,
the best apartment clientele.
And so it's really eye-opening to us.
And, um, you know, we were
just, we were really blessed.
We had a lot of mentors that came
around us and just encouraged us
missionaries, but also, you know, just
friends and other, other people in
the, in the, in the business world too.
Lane Kipp: Nice.
How did you guys like practically
protect your giving or incorporate it
in as a part of your financial strategy?
I mean, what was the, uh.
The evolution of it and, uh, 'cause
I know it's a lot of people, uh, we
advise, you know, we, we want to help
'em give well, uh, but in our advising
we start to realize, uh, man, maybe
they struggle to have even a financial
strategy that allows them to give.
Well, uh, what was helpful for you guys?
What's some like practical tips you got?
Tom Dosch: You know, what was really
helpful for us, that was, I guess more,
not formulaic, but um, like more just
something that we were able to walk
through together was the master's program.
And so that was like a
Christian leadership program
that I did in my mid twenties.
And there's a whole, it's,
it's 12 sessions over three
years, and it's like you're.
It is basically like getting
a strong foundation on your
life, every part of your life.
So your, your physical fitness,
your relational fitness,
your spiritual fitness.
But also there's a whole session
on finances and finances from
a kingdom, kingdom mindset.
so I think that was really probably
the first time that we'd really
thought about giving to things that
we're passionate about really being
very specific with our giving.
And so now when, when we think about
giving and we have our nonprofit,
we try to encourage others and.
Create a community of givers, we
really try to focus on what has God
uniquely made you passionate about?
'cause we all have different
backgrounds and there's just different
things that he draws our hearts to.
And you see that with ministries like the
people running ministries, they normally
have some kind of a background in that,
you know, whatever that is, that cause.
And so, um, that's something that
for Jackie and I, we we're fortunate,
we're very aligned on, you know,
evangelism's really important to
us and discipleship and overseas
missions is really important to us.
And so.
Um, those are, those are areas that
we focused and then we, you know,
created goals around, um, different
ministries that we wanna support
making, like multiple year commitments.
And that evolved from us doing that,
you know, just, just the two of us
to doing that in more of like a group
setting with the nonprofit that we
started a hundred times Harvest.
Lane Kipp: Yeah.
So tell us more about, uh, about that.
I'm, I mean, that's.
Really cool.
Uh, I know a lot of people
want to do something like that.
Dunno how to pull the trigger.
Tell us more about what it
was like setting that up and,
and how you guys operate that.
Tom Dosch: Well, I'm really fortunate.
You know, one thing that's been
critical for me in my business
life has been having good partners.
And so I have, you know, initially
two partners, my brother Tim.
Who I mentioned earlier, and then
David Marshall, and now we have
other partners in our business.
And all three of us weren't
just business partners.
We were doing a lot of
giving together as well.
And so different ministries would
come to the office and we would meet
with them and we would hear about, you
know, just different work being done.
And we'd get really excited about that.
And, uh, we'd kind of realized we were
all supporting a lot of the same things.
And so we thought, why don't we do
something more, uh, you know, formal,
we could start an organization.
Yeah, my dad had just retired from
oil and gas after 35 years and, uh,
volunteered to manage it for us.
And so we said, why don't we start
this organization where we can bring
these really exciting projects that
these ministries are bringing to us,
to a lot larger network, and then
we can accomplish more together,
we can create more accountability.
'cause we had, we had, we had had
incredible things happen with ministries,
but we'd also, you know, kind of
been burned a couple times where.
We had given money, um, even to
people that we felt like had been
pretty vetted or were parts of,
you know, vetted organizations.
And then the money had just gone to, to
things that, you know, we hadn't given to.
Um, and so we really wanna come up
with a better way of pooling our
resources together, trying to invite
more believers that maybe didn't have
the time to go to Africa, or that
never would've been on their radar.
Maybe it would be someday, but we
could bring these really exciting
opportunities to, that are, you know.
A step beyond just, you know, having
the plate passed at church and giving
to that, but then not really having
any kind of connection or taking
any ownership through that giving.
And so, um, we started that and
initially we would just, you know,
send out emails, invite people
to different lunch and learns.
And it, it really grew over time and we've
had, you know, several large donors come
and be a part of a hundred times harvest.
And then we've had a lot of just, you
know, donors give small amounts or give
amounts to specif specific projects.
You know, we'll do like a done several,
um, recordings with faith comes by
hearing on new languages around the world.
And so we have some members that they
love to give to that, you know, but
then maybe they're not gonna give to
a different project, you know, just
'cause they're not as passionate
about the cause and that's fine.
Like we just wanna bring these really
good opportunities to both, you
know, our families, but also to just
a larger network the marketplace.
And.
Um, that's been a lot of fun because I
think one thing I was told early on is
it's not just how much money I could give
personally, but it's how much money you
can raise by getting others around you.
And so when I met you, that's what got
me really excited was just someone else
that was so passionate about resources
for the kingdom and, you know, getting,
especially millennials, just getting
this younger generation to, to come up
and whether it's a small amount of money
or a large amount of money, pooling
that together for, for the impact.
Lane Kipp: Yeah, I mean I, that's, uh, I
remember that that first lunch we had at
Gloria's, I guess January of last year.
But, uh, yeah, super impressed
with what you guys are doing.
Love the giving collaborative spirit.
I mean, it makes a lot of
sense and it's a lot of fun.
I mean, we've experienced it.
I mean, we're getting a bunch of all
access members here in Dallas to play
pickleball with one of our partners
from South Asia in a couple weeks.
And, uh.
It is fun just getting a lot of
people in the same room who are giving
together and you're able to make more
impact than you could on your own.
I mean, I think giving collaboratives,
I hope they're gonna be popular
in the future, but you guys have,
have already kind of muled that
out and um, that's awesome, man.
I love it.
And what's kind of been, I mean,
you mentioned being burned.
Um, I think anyone who tries to
give well gets burned at some point.
But I mean, what have been.
Some of those, um, instances, and you
don't have to, definitely don't name
organizations, but I mean, what I'd
love for hear you to just go in more
de detail about those experiences
and ways that we can help avoid it
or, or lessons learned from those
Tom Dosch: Yeah, fortunately
there haven't been very many, so
Lane Kipp: good.
Tom Dosch: for that.
Um, you know, I think it's hard to know or
to just generally say how to avoid them.
You know, there's things we try to do.
For one thing, you know, we've learned
to vet more on the front end and
a lot of that is through, through
even just vetting like relationally.
What are some other like
references they would have?
People that maybe we would know.
Uh, we've learned not to give, you
know, directly to anyone anymore.
Like for example, just, you
know, someone in Africa.
But to give through a vetted organization
so that there's not that direct link.
'cause as you know, every time you go
overseas, you create these incredible
bonds, but then you just start getting.
It bombarded
Lane Kipp: Yeah.
Tom Dosch: because there's so many needs.
And so it's really hard and you feel
really bad and kind of guilty not to give.
'cause it could even just be like,
you know, gimme $20 a month or
something really, really minimal.
But unfortunately, I think that's
where a lot of the problems happen, is
when there's just the direct giving.
And so, um, what we had that happen in
Africa where we had given and, and the,
the guy was running kind of a lot of
different exciting projects and he just
decided, even though we very specifically
said we wanted to go to this project.
was kind of running a for-profit project
that he was trying to use to fund the rest
of his ministry, and he just kinda decided
he was gonna move the money over there.
Lane Kipp: Hmm.
Tom Dosch: um, you know, that, that was
really concerning for us because for
one thing, we, we didn't really see the
viability of what he was trying to do,
which is why we weren't giving to that.
But then also it just created that
lack of trust that in the future he
wouldn't do the exact same thing.
Um, and so fast forward, met
a really good friend from
Tanzania on a, a trip to Africa.
And really believed in
the work he was doing.
He was moving back from the South Africa
area to Tanzania to start a church.
Uh, but found a ministry that we could
give to through, you know, that would
then be able to support him and he could
become a part of what they were doing
versus just giving directly to him.
And so that's been one way that we
found that, um, you know, has, has
worked for us in those instances.
And then one that that happened
that was different was like
a stateside ministry where.
know, we're giving a lot of
times larger amounts of money
with a hundred times harvest.
And so that comes more accountability
where you can ask more questions and
where they just, there's more time
that these ministries are willing to
spend and more that they're willing
to kind of show and turn over.
And we had a, um, we had a really
surprising situation happen
where a guy kind of was ministry
hopping and we didn't know.
And so we, we gave a pretty
significant amount of money based
off of a lot of information that.
Could have been accurate, but we didn't
know that he was leaving that organization
Lane Kipp: Mm.
Tom Dosch: was planning to take
a lot of those resources with
him to his new organization.
And so fortunately the, the leadership
that stepped in after that, after he left,
you know, kind of made everything right.
But some of these situations
are, are difficult and tough.
And so a lot of times, you know, we
try to start with smaller gifts and
kind of build up the trust and um,
and not just go, you know, straight
into these larger gifts because.
there's, I mean, there's so many
ministries doing good work, uh, but
then there's also, you know, ministries
that aren't doing very good work or that
tend to take advantage of people too.
Lane Kipp: Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, it's hard.
I was talking to, uh, some wealth.
Wealth advisors a few days ago, and
I don't know how off I was on this
comparison, but it, it reminds me
of investing in stocks, you know,
50, 60 years ago or whenever it, it
seemed crazy to invest money in a
company you don't personally know.
Um, and, uh, now it's a pretty,
I mean, it's a normal thing.
Millions, hundreds of millions
of people do it every day.
And, uh, but in the giving
space, we don't have any tools.
And things like that to help people do
it, even if there's some of the most
effective and highest ROI ministries,
they're just, um, wasn't somebody,
not only to find them, but also to
manage it, to monitor it for groups.
That's one of the reasons we
started, but you're right.
I mean, it's, it's, it's hard to do it.
To give Well, is is
definitely not easy or quick.
Um, but on the flip side of that, I mean,
what, what are some things you guys have,
have given to you that was incredible?
It just.
It was really exciting for you guys.
Tom Dosch: Yeah.
You know, we su we've supported a lot of
organizations like, you know, faith comes
by hearing that you'd be familiar with,
Lane Kipp: Yeah.
Tom Dosch: our passion a lot of times is
supporting smaller organizations that.
Almost kinda like a venture capitalist.
Not that they're startups, but that some
of them are smaller and they just don't
have the network or the donor base.
And we, we like to come alongside
organizations and kind of ask the,
what if, like what if you had $50,000
or a hundred thousand dollars to go do
something, to do a breakthrough project,
uh, that you just, you know, you don't
even really think that big because
you know, you're just trying to get
by with what you're currently doing.
And so, um, one of my favorites
to talk about is one that just.
It came out of these trips we were
doing to the Middle East and, uh, some
books that we were reading that had
just were really changing our lives.
It was, um, some books that were
just stories of Muslims becoming
Christians and just the story,
the, the story, the stories were so
powerful of dreams and visions and
miracles and what God was doing, and
they were, these were true stories.
Things happening over
the last decade or so.
and reading a lot about just these
movements happening across the world
like never before of just huge groups
of Muslims coming to Chris Christianity.
And so, um, we were talking with the
authors of one of these books and we
had traveled with him and we're really
impacted and we were like, we have to take
this to more of like a media platform.
I mean, the books are awesome, we love
the books, but what if we could film these
people, like film these real stories?
Um, and so this was probably around
the time, a 100x Harvest was starting.
So this was like our first project.
And, uh, it was really fun
because it was just an idea.
I remember being at Whole Foods, uh,
and just like having coffee and talking
about like, what if we could do this?
And we were looking at things like
I'm second and what they had done with
stories of like athletes and, uh, we
just, you know, we're like, even if
we could just get these stories out,
I'm sure people will listen to 'em.
We will see.
And so fast forward, we, we got
the first stories out probably
around, I think it was 2019 or so.
And, uh, and now this channel, it's
called, I Found The Truth, has like 3.5M
subscribers,
Lane Kipp: Wow.
Tom Dosch: is incredible.
And most of the subscribers are overseas
it's, there's a ton of content now, tons
of stories of, again, just former, former
Muslims getting on and telling their story
of conversion and how they come to Christ.
And so.
mean, they're, and we're not taking credit
for, for what they, what they've done.
I mean, the stories are what's incredible.
God's work is what's incredible.
And the ministry, they, you know,
really good friend of mine, Josh
runs that now and, uh, took that on.
Uh, and so it's just fun
though to be a part of that.
Like, to know that because we were
kind of there and available and
thinking that way, and, you know,
God allowed us to be a part of that.
I think that's what's fun
generosity is being a part of it.
It's not a, not guilt.
And, and I, I, I say that a lot because
like I grew up in a Christian home.
My parents are awesome, but
it was pretty rules based.
And so I knew tithing was important, but
it was always kinda like right or wrong.
And the focus was more in my mind
and, and not to say my parents were
doing this, this is how I interpreted
it, but the focus was more on
like, I just need to give this much
money, this percentage of money.
And it wasn't, wasn't really about like
the heart behind what God was doing
with them with it, and how incredible
it is and how much more fulfilling
that is and being a part of that.
Then going and buying something
else or something for myself.
And so, it's, it's just every time I watch
those videos, it just reminds me of how
exciting it's to get to be a part of that.
And then that's just, you
know, one of the, the different
projects we've gotten to do.
Lane Kipp: Yeah, man, that's,
that's why I wanted people to
hear your, your perspective
and, and what you're doing, Tom.
'cause you're, you're right.
I feel like a lot of us, uh, have
that perspective on giving is like,
I do it to feel less guilty about.
The way of my, I live, live my life.
Or maybe we just think the Bible tells
us, Hey, this is what we have to do.
Um, you know, I, I wrote my thesis
paper in grad school on the tithe,
but, um, uh, I love what you're doing
and I, I love the perspective you
have, and that's what we're trying
to encourage people to do is, I mean,
we're, the Christian life is, we're being
redeemed by Jesus and joining Jesus and
redeeming the world, being a part of
what he's doing, and our giving is a.
Is, uh, an asset to be
used in, in doing that.
It's, uh, a helpful
tool to help us do that.
And, uh, I love it, man.
Love what you guys are doing.
It's uh, it's pretty cool.
Tom Dosch: Thanks.
Well, I mean, it's been awesome to get to
know you, I think Steve Caliper, so I can.
And
Lane Kipp: Yeah.
Tom Dosch: us.
He's introduced me to some great
people, but really appreciate him a
hundred times Harvest to you and all
access, and it's been really fun to
get to know you and become a member.
Uh, I mean, we see it as a great
resource and the work you do is hard.
Um, but it's definitely needed and it's,
it's incredible to see just how you're
stewarding so many, you know, so many
people's resources for the kingdom.
Lane Kipp: Yeah, I appreciate the time.
I mean, it's a partnership
and um, it's a lot of fun.
I mean, I'm humbled every
time I go to the field and.
We have a long way to go, a long way to
go, but, uh, I'm mean super encouraged
by guys like you who are, who are on
this mission, you know, already kind of
doing it themselves, and we just get to
come alongside and do it with you guys.
So, um, it's cool.
I mean, what, what excites you the most?
What's next, uh, for you guys?
Uh, what, what gets you fired up?
Tom Dosch: Gosh, it's, we live
in such an incredible time.
I mean, I, I know around the Christian
world, everyone talks about like
fulfilling the great commission and
you know, having actual, actual, you
know, bibles in every language for
the first time, like having scripture.
So it's hard not to get excited
about just the work being done
to reach unreached people groups.
And like I said, just, you know,
statistically, at least, at least what
I'm reading and, and kind of believing
that these statistics are true, that
you're seeing people come to Christ like
never before, you know, since the church.
So, um, I think that
gets us really excited.
I mean, the ministries that we
meet, I just met with the ministry
a couple weeks ago, uh, in McKinney
that's doing incredible work.
Uh, and so, you know, just getting
to meet new ministries, hear their
hearts, um, getting to hear the stories.
It's, you know, I think for me, a lot of
times I'm ready to just kinda like drop
what I'm doing and, and, and want to
go and be a full-time over, over there
with them doing what they're doing.
And you know, what I've learned is
God has a, a purpose for me where I am
and I'm getting to you know, help in
ways that it would be really different
if I was, you know, over somewhere
in Africa, which would be great.
But, you know, I've been mentored
by, you know, people I really
respect to say like, hey.
until you're Sure.
God calls you to that.
Like make sure you're doing what
he's calling you to now, which is,
you know, really helping impact
people in, in different ways.
So, um, you know, I, I'm excited for
when my kids are a little bit older.
I probably shouldn't say that
'cause I, we're supposed to enjoy
the, the, the phase we're in.
But, 'cause I'm really excited
to take them overseas and to
do, do more of that together.
So, uh, my older brother's doing that
now with his kids 'cause they're five
or so years ahead in age than mine.
And it's just really been
transformational in their lives.
Going down to Columbia and working,
you know, down there in, in really
difficult situations, but just being
really impacted by what God's doing.
So that's something that'll be just
on a personal note, like exciting when
I get to, you know, take my kids to
see some of the things that Jack and
I have gotten to see and, and just
meet, you know, some of these people
that are so incredible around the world
that have so little, but their joy is.
It's just like so much more than
anything you experience here because
they're so fulfilled in Christ.
Lane Kipp: Yeah, man, I'm, I'm
looking forward to that day as
well, when we can take our kids
and, um, yeah, I, I, I love it.
It's, um.
It is a wild journey, but it's a, I
love seeing people get their families
involved and, you know, some of the
places we work aren't the most safest in
the world, but some of them we, we can.
And, um, I'm trying to get more, more
members over to the field and see it.
'cause you're right, I mean, once you see
it, it's hard not to be a part of, of it.
I mean, just the need is so great
and you're, you're, you're right.
We are accelerating this mission.
There's some exciting things happening.
I, I a hundred percent believe extreme
spiritual and physical poverty can
in our lifetime if we want it to.
Uh, I mean the data's there,
the resources are there.
Uh, it won't be easy, but
I do think it's possible.
And so we're gonna keep trucking along
on that mission and see what we can do.
Tom Dosch: I'd love to
get over there with you.
I know I told you that
Lane Kipp: Yeah, let's go.
Tom Dosch: your trip.
You just, you just took, I, uh,
I would've loved to, have gone.
It didn't work out, but
yeah, we, we need to try to.
to make that happen 'cause I'd
love to go over there with you.
Lane Kipp: Yeah, let's do it next time.
I'll, I'll, uh, give you more of
a heads up, but, um, well, cool,
Tom, well, I appreciate you, man.
Uh, this has been a lot of
fun doing this with you.
Thanks for your
perspective and your heart.
I mean, um, you know,
you remind me of, um.
Suffering to be honest of a lot of people
when they think about suffering, they
think about, oh, it's the person who goes
to Africa and, and lives over there and,
um, is on the front lines of this mission.
But what they often forget about
are those who are here in the states
who really want to be over there.
I mean, I would love to be back
in Haiti, um, but if the most
effective thing we can do is be here.
And grind it out in the day to day,
live below our means when all of our
friends are, are living above, above
our own means, so that we can help be
a part of what God's doing over there.
Um, if that's the most loving thing
we can do to help those people,
then um, that's what we should do.
And so you're doing that, Tom.
Um, love what you're doing.
Thanks for being a part of all
access and, uh, appreciate you taking
the time to, to jump on this call.
Tom Dosch: Thanks, lane.
Thanks for having me on.
Lane Kipp: All right, ma'am.
I'll see you when you get back in Dallas.
Tom Dosch: Okay.
Lane Kipp: Thanks, Tom.
